>with the help of allies
Uh-huh. After all massive battles, like Stalungrad or Kursk Arc, after still traiding with Nazis via Swizerland frank?

>if they went shopping or did pretty much anything in society they were forced to speak Russia
That is what westoid copium now is?

>they wouldn't have supported Soviet Union through lend
You know, when all has seen what Nazi Germany truly is (after all the warnings from Union, witch were and outcry in a desert), no-one wanted their black scemes to be opend up to public view.

> Again, socialist did never see less nations as untermench (or white racism as well)
You did see them as less nations? You forced countries to make Russia their main language. Sure for an example Baltics could still speak their mother language to their family members but for an example if they went shopping or did pretty much anything in society they were forced to speak Russia.

Umm if west paid Nazi Germany to attack Soviet Union then they wouldn't have supported Soviet Union through lend lease allies would have given money to Nazi Germany instead but that's not what happened. Lend lease was given to Soviet Union and with the help of allies nazis were defeated but that just shows how strong the nazis were, it required almost the whole world to turn against them to beat them lol.

>of for an example Baltics or Ukraine is not russian culture
No ♥♥♥♥, Sherlock. Again, socialist did never see less nations as untermench (or white racism as well)

>classic russian whataboutism
Classic western sophistics. When you cant beat the argument, go ad absurdum. West paid the Nazi Germany to attack Union, why shoud we count these 11 millions (how coud they cover things up in short terms tho)?
Bwt, the Napoleon invasion proved that the loss of Moscow is not the loss of Russia as well.

>yeah, thats why Union was supporting national culure, was doing ukrainification (witch is the best argument of current rus' right wing, the irony)
The national culture of for an example Baltics or Ukraine is not russian culture. Baltics and Ukraine have their own culture but you tried to force them to become russians and speak Russia. They wanted their independence back because they want to be baltics and ukrainians not russians lol.

>Oh, sure. What about of credits to Germany in 20-30s, again?
Ah classic russian whataboutism. Everytime someone says something about Russia then you say what about this what about that. You can talk about Germany all you want but that doesn't change the fact that Soviet Union received 11 billion dollars from America and that changed the tables of the war to Soviet Union's favor. Before lend lease nazis were dominating you and were only 12 miles from Moscow.

>is a real thing
yeah, thats why Union was supporting national culure, was doing ukrainification (witch is the best argument of current rus' right wing, the irony)

>Blatant lie
Nope. Russification is a real thing and every single country that was forced to be part of Soviet Union were russified to some degree. You did not succeed at complete russification because many soviet republics managed to regain their independence after the collapse of Soviet Union but you tried to russify them, you tried to force them to be russians. Russia was the main language of Soviet Union and other languages were below Russia.

>That amount of money is enough to turn tables in war
Oh, sure. What about of credits to Germany in 20-30s, again?
>take all credit for yourselves
No, a blatant lie again. It was not only the Europe front in WW2 (where Union did his best without a doubt), it was at least a Pacific as well (where LeMay and Nimitz did most of the hard work)

> they were forced to learn and speak Russia
Blatant lie. Out of all people, socialists was giving money to nationac cultures... maybe bec they did never had prejudices, like right-wing.
>Man you're beyond saving. You don't have common sense.
Basically, re-forcing my own words to me lol. Think of smth new.

Soviet Union received 11 billion dollars from America to aid in war. That amount of money is enough to turn tables in war. I find it so funny when you russians want to take all credit for yourselves for winning ww2 even though lend lease was a big part of that.

So let me get this straight, Soviet Union forced lots of countries to be part of Soviet Union, they lost their independence, they were forced to learn and speak Russia and not use their mother language and you're stupid enough to think that because these countries wanted their independence back it was paid by usaid? Man you're beyond saving. You don't have common sense.

Not everything in this world is paid by usaid lol. It should be self explanatory that if countries are independent and you take their independence then they will want to regain that independence back at some point if they get a chance for that.

>It's not destroyed lol
Aw, sure, right. This is why Zelenskyy is riding non-stop to beg even more money to their ladan-breathing economy.
> because that's exactly what the Soviet Union did
By building here infrastructure as well? Now that is a level of robbery, by giving smth to the victum.

>You have ignored most of what i've said as well
No, I replied.
>wouldn't have sought freedom and independence
Or maybe USAID paid for that to happen? Nulland pies? Rings a bell?

>Without lend lease nazis would've destroyed Soviet Union.
The beloved myth of western propaganda lol. That aid was so perfect that tanks like Grand was called in our forses BM-6 (brothery grave for 6 man in translation).
Oh and by the way, did you forget about policy of appeasement, witch was done for ramming nazis on union, making the last one write down molotov-ribbentrop pact (after all attempts of warning of germany's danger?) I think if Britain, France and USA previously feeded Dolphy, their so-called aid was just an excuse, because they are guilty for an invasion as well.

>No lol. Country is destroyed, population is going beyond any kind of salvation, national debt will be payed in years... and for what? For an illusion of freedom? For being industrially robbed like Baltic states? Now that is SO smart lol
It's not destroyed lol? With your special military operation you have taken like 10% of Ukraine's land and majority of Ukraine is doing fine other than maybe civilians getting bombed coz your country wants innocent ukrainians to suffer lol.

Funny how you talk about Baltic states being robbed because that's exactly what the Soviet Union did when they forced Baltic states to be part of Soviet Union. They have been doing way better after they gained back their independence.

>so you just ignored my thesis
You have ignored most of what i've said as well, i don't think we even can have a proper conversation coz our world views are too different but since we're here now i might as well say how i see things.

>What if he did not did what he did?
If Stalin and Soviet Union in general had treated people better then maybe after the collapse of Soviet Union most Soviet republics wouldn't have sought freedom and independence? Have you ever thought that maybe Ukraine and other countries that used to be part of Soviet Union wanted independence because they were not treated well by the Soviet Union?

> that doesn't mean that the support they have received is meaningless
No lol. Country is destroyed, population is going beyond any kind of salvation, national debt will be payed in years... and for what? For an illusion of freedom? For being industrially robbed like Baltic states? Now that is SO smart lol

>And the necessity was proved in WW2, when Union's machinery repelled the forses of entire Europe, united under swastika banner.
You did not repel the forces of Europe just with Soviet Union's machinery lol. During ww2 nazis got so close to Moscow that they were only 12km away from Moscow. Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse. Then you started to receive lots of military aid through lend lease so you repelled Europe thanks to allies. Without lend lease nazis would've destroyed Soviet Union.

>If you don't know what independence means you should start by learning that
so you just ignored my thesis and started wussin' about your freedom-ish crap. Just like i said, soyjaks are too retarded for a concept of different opinions.
>Yes everything the west says is a lie and everything you read in pravda or other russian propaganda magazines is correct
Ironic. While you watch over this from a tunnel vision of westboi's freedom and democracy, i can see a bigger picture. I can see that with all losses of industrialization, it was a preparation for a big upcoming war, and Stalin knew that very well. What if he did not did what he did? Do i need to explain you the Generalplan Ost?

>a person who does not bow down to Russia is a nazi
no, he was a real nazi. even your, pro-ukrainian wiki says about his antisemitism. https/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symon_Petliura#Role_in_pogroms
>forced agriculture collectivization
Historical tunnel vision as is. In big picture it was a) not anti-ukr deed, but rather a whole country reform and b) it was nessesary evil doing the industrialization process. And the necessity was proved in WW2, when Union's machinery repelled the forses of entire Europe, united under swastika banner.

>by giving them false promises, more weapons and forestalling Istanbul agreements? By the words of frau Merkel that Minsk was but a lie? By trnsforming em into anti-russia kamikaze ram in return of that phantom of liberty idea?
I think Ukraine should receive more support but that doesn't mean that the support they have received is meaningless. While the west has given Ukraine supplies to defend themselves, what has Russia given?

Russia attacked Ukraine. West didn't attack Ukraine. Ukraine has been independent for a while and it has been their own choice to want to do more things with west than with Russia. You cannot stand the fact that Ukraine has been doing very well even though they haven't been part of Russia for a long time. You were jealous and you attacked because you just want to steal Ukraine's natural resources and force russification upon them.

>If you do not know the whole idea of Union (soyjaks do never tho), do not try to boast. It is even uglier than your NAFO-wannabe face.
If you don't know what independence means you should start by learning that. Finland was and still is independent and back in the days Soviet Union attacked us and tried to force us to be part of Soviet Union. Russian Federation is now trying to do the same thing to Ukraine, Ukraine is independent and you're trying to destroy that independence. How many times do i need to repeat myself or do you not understand what you read?

>Best joke of a day. Even better than a blatant lie about so-called golodomor, when other parts of western USSR suffered from it just as the same
Yes everything the west says is a lie and everything you read in pravda or other russian propaganda magazines is correct. Keep up that attitude. That will get you far in life.

>Ah, those goldy freedom fighters, like nazionalist Petlura and anarchist Makhno
So to you a person who does not bow down to Russia is a nazi? That explains alot lol. See you russians might not understand this but not every country in the world wants to be part of Russia. Some countries are independent and unfortunately some countries during history needed to defend themselves from you because you do not respect the independence of different countries.

>Buy building infrastructure, factories and towns?
So that's the only thing Soviet Union ever did to Ukraine? They only bought them infrastructure, factories and towns? Sheesh Russian propaganda has worked it's wonders on you. So they didn't tell in your history books how Soviet Union forced agriculture collectivization upon Ukraine which led to millions of ukrainians dying to famine?

>haven't mistreated them
by giving them false promises, more weapons and forestalling Istanbul agreements? By the words of frau Merkel that Minsk was but a lie? By trnsforming em into anti-russia kamikaze ram in return of that phantom of liberty idea?
The Western hypocricity and sociopacity. Never changes, never gets old.

>to destroy the independence of Finland
If you do not know the whole idea of Union (soyjaks do never tho), do not try to boast. It is even uglier than your NAFO-wannabe face.
The idea was to liberate finland's workers from capitalists and to move border from Leningrad. And even if first task failed, the second one was fifilled.
>Ukraine also isn't selling itself to blackrock
Best joke of a day. Even better than a blatant lie about so-called golodomor, when other parts of western USSR suffered from it just as the same

> Soviet Union back in the days that took the independence of Ukraine by force
Ah, those goldy freedom fighters, like nazionalist Petlura and anarchist Makhno. Always love these western double standarts, compare em to guy like Ionov, who was talking about Texian independency when democrats started their immigrant-invitation company... and got 1 billion head mounty like immideatly.
>Soviet Union treated ukrainians very badly
Buy building infrastructure, factories and towns? Jeesh. I guess colonialistic countries like Britain, Belgium and France (its still colonial tho) treat their lesser nations good by opressing then. The logic.

@MARAZM you didn't complain about politics when your friend was talking about them. What actually bothers you is that i don't speak Russian propaganda. You don't care about your friend talking politics coz you share same political opinions with him.

You can call me anything you want but that doesn't change anything about history and politics. You russians have no right to claim that your special military operation is justified. You think Ukraine attacked Russia first? Nah, Soviet Union forced Ukraine to be part of Soviet Union, after that Ukraine became independent and now your military is trying to destroy that independence.

You're not doing self defence. You're on the offensice.

mfw when closed profile lowlife degen gets political over losing in er

Back in the Soviet Union days Soviet Union also tried to destroy the independence of Finland. However you failed to do that despite having way more soldiers, tanks and everything than what Finland had.

Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore but Russian Federation does exist and what is your country trying to do? It's trying to destroy the independence of Ukraine so you have learned nothing from history. You do not allow other countries to live in peace. You just came up with some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ justification to attack Ukraine.

>by the right of self-defence, mon cher. actually, before the start of SMO, ukrs attacked Russia's territory.
If you want to talk about history then it was actually the Soviet Union back in the days that took the independence of Ukraine by force and forced Ukraine to be part of Soviet Union and while Ukraine was a part of Soviet Union millions of ukrainians were killed purposely by Holodomor famine.

So you have no right to be talking about "self-defence" when Soviet Union treated ukrainians very badly. Because Soviet Union treated ukrainians very badly they did not want to be part of Russian Federation after the collapse of Soviet Union, Ukraine wanted to be independent and your military is currently trying to destroy that independence, it is not self-defence.

You should read about history. Ukraine also isn't selling itself to blackrock, Ukraine wants to be part of eu and nato coz we haven't mistreated them the same way you russians have.

>is full of nazis
well... yes. azov, kraken, right sector, sokil, svitanok, the list goes on.
>justifued
by the right of self-defence, mon cher. actually, before the start of SMO, ukrs attacked Russia's territory.
> independent country
is that why it was selling itself to BlackRock (and now to Trump) by a cheap price?
>attacked Ukraine
This has started long before the 22, even before the 14 actually. Read smth about the alley of angels at least.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I_support_the_current_thing_way" do you believe that Ukraine is full of nazis and the special military operation is justified or something? Ukraine is an independent country, it does not belong to Russia and yet your military still attacked Ukraine.

If you really think about SMO in that "i_support_the_current_thing_way", then i do not see a point in arguing about that. Just memes.
I mean, soy like you proved itself to be completely immune to logic and arguments, due to complete western brainwash and overall stupidity.

Great katana is also not on the bad side of weapon tier-list, especially with the right AoW. Tho, you just cant play against my poker, so ill give you some advice, to prevent you from exploding from within (quibble, ik): you either try to spin me from left, or use a shield. Dont forget, that i can adopt to same strat.
>While your military is killing innocent ukrainians you're sitting on your ass, enjoying yourself and playing ER.
Gonna cry now, soyjack?

I used great katana against you. You kept spamming your weapon's weapon art, it's actually insane how you can just spam it to avoid attacks and on top of that use it to strike for insane dmg, 1 attack took like 70% of my hp and i have good armour, 60 vigor, crimson amber medallion +3 and erdtree's favor +2 so i got plenty of hp lol.

Yeah i'm tired of playing against people who rely on op weapons to carry them to victory lol. I also don't like russians. While your military is killing innocent ukrainians you're sitting on your ass, enjoying yourself and playing ER.

Tho, I cant remember what you build was and how you fought... enlighten me

Oooof, that was a huge butthurt right here, lmao. Even meaning polytics.

Also since you're a russian shouldn't you be taking part in your special military operation and not sitting on your ass and playing Elden Ring?

Yeah just spam that op weapon art that gives you a free dodge, negates dmg and then you can use it again to strike me for insane dmg lol. Use some other weapon against me and i guarantee you will lose.

ggs fun fight mate

unfun for me, but still, ggs

what are these guys wrighting so security system is blicking that?
im truly curious.

ggs that was fun

using margots sword ash and thinks he has merit

lol, used it like 4 times less than you did.
if you cant say smth smarter, you better stay silent.