The Talos Principle VR

The Talos Principle VR

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How to be Persistent
By Chrury
The achievement "Extreme Persistence Detected" is broken in The Talos Principle VR. This guide presents a method to get the achievement without copying a save file from the non-VR version.
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Intro
Hey there. In this guide I will detail the method I used to obtain the "Extreme Persistence Detected" achievement. What you have to do is really dumb thanks to bugs so I decided it was worth it to make this short guide.

As mentioned, this does not involve copying data/saves from the original version.
The Method
(As of current patch: June 27, 2021):
  1. Start a new game.
  2. Play through until you exit A1 and enter A2.
  3. Complete the yellow sigil puzzle (Suicide Mission) to create a checkpoint if you need it.
  4. Enter the green sigil puzzle (Hall of Windows) and wait the initial 10 seconds.
  5. Reset manually with button on the back of your hand.
  6. Wait 10 more seconds.
  7. Repeat steps #5 and #6 89 times for a total of 90 resets. Accounting for human error (I tend to count fast internally), this should get you around 15 minutes of game time.
  8. Finish the puzzle.

Congratulations! You have just shown enough persistence to get the achievement!

Side note: I was initially deflated after trying this because the achievement pop-up didn't pop-up in-game like the others. That's possibly another bug. Just check the achievement list in the menu or in Steam afterwards.
The Madness
Or how I found this solution.

I started with some good ole' googling research. The thread(s) in the steam forums for the VR version were not helpful as it appears the devs haven't been able to replicate the issue on their end. Then I went and searched for the same achievement in the original version of the game. I found this forum thread updated last year with a very detailed post by apple1417.

In short:
  • The achievement works on any puzzle, not just red.
  • The time required is based on 2x a hard coded par time for the puzzle you're in or ten minutes, whichever is longer.
  • The timer for the achievement to pop is roughly 2 minutes after Elohim tells you to go try something else.
  • You cannot just idle, you have to do various game actions. Each action resets an idle-check timer that has a duration of ~10 seconds.

skypiece in the same thread also piped in saying they managed to get the achievement in a puzzle in A2.

Using this as a basis, I chose "Hall of Windows" in A2 to attempt the achievement.



I chose this puzzle for a couple reasons.
  • It's an early green sigil puzzle (in A2 bc superstition); this guarantees the timer will be short. 10-12 minutes. This also reduces how much game you need to play to get here.
  • It contains two jammers. This limits what actions I needed to test.
  • It only takes four basic steps to solve. Also makes testing easier.
  • It does not contain any guards, also keeping it consistent. And quiet.


During the setup, I learned that the checkpoints that you manually load aren't created/saved unless you solve a puzzle or get a star. Only the save used for 'Continue' seems to tick over for just moving to different parts of the game.
So I headed over and completed "Suicide Mission" so I had a checkpoint in A2 to load from. This gave me a checkpoint with a game time of 1:58.

I'll save you the details of all of my failures but my attempts ended up looking like this:

(Also note the 1:12:10 file has all the red sigils and climbed the tower. No way I did it that fast.)
I stumbled a bit at the start but my discoveries for the VR version of this achievement came in about this order:
  • Moving in the puzzle does not affect the timer (I was using classic locomotion to better match the original game.)
  • You get a max of ~10 seconds of game time when you start in a puzzle (like my checkpoint), ~10 seconds when exiting a puzzle to the level hub, and ~10 seconds when you enter a puzzle.
  • None of the jammer related actions (pick up, drop, jam, force drop by walking into a purple wall) affect the game time in any way.
  • Manual resets do restart the game time timer. This adds a max of ~10 seconds.
  • Being exploded by a guard also restarts the game time timer. Also adds ~10 seconds.

With the chunks of time I could gain and the actions available, I would theoretically need to wait 10 seconds and reset in a puzzle 12min x 60sec /10 sec = 72 times. I bumped that up to 90 resets for 15 minutes to account for human error.

I also wanted to use manual resets to get that extra couple seconds holding the reset button uses. You could theoretically get the achievement by dying to guards and turrets a whole bunch but I wanted to avoid their annoying sounds while counting. Leave a comment if you're successful going this route.

And after one failed but encouraging attempt while listening to music, I sat down and counted with great focus. And finally succeeded! The final game time for that checkpoint is over 19 minutes, up from the 2 minutes of the previous checkpoint. PHEW.
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Thanks to apple1417 and skypiece for their forum posts that pointed me in the right direction.
And thanks to you for reading. It's a tedious process but I hope this guide helps bump this achievement up a bit more than its current 0.3%

Cheers!.
14 Comments
Sidewayfarer 5 Mar @ 8:08pm 
It took me 3 tries but I can confirm this works as of March 5th 2025! Thank for the help!:steamthumbsup::terminal:
Azuki 12 Dec, 2024 @ 2:46pm 
Thanks for this. I set my controllers down so that it would constantly reset on 1 of the first levels. I had to turn my controllers on after a couple minutes. Grabbed the sigil and it popped.
PASZQ 4 Oct, 2024 @ 12:15pm 
This indeed works as of 4 Oct 2024, thanks!
FCon 7 Jun, 2024 @ 2:45pm 
YOU ARE A FUCKING LEGEND
10110010 5 Jun, 2024 @ 5:18pm 
You are my hero! It works fine! When you reset is is silent and after 10 seconds :steamhappy: a sound is comming. That helps me to find my rythm to reset!
Torus 10 Mar, 2023 @ 4:19pm 
Yep...can confirm this worked, and this coming from staying in a puzzle for an hour before.
JustCaws737 28 Feb, 2023 @ 12:13pm 
I agree with most of the other people here. I couldn't get this achievo for the longest but was able to get it with your guide in particular. Thank you so much!
Chrury  [author] 24 Nov, 2022 @ 7:30am 
Glad to have given a small bit of motivation @Grey Acumen! I agree, Talos Principle is a very satisfying 100%. :2018bestaward:
Grey Acumen 23 Nov, 2022 @ 9:47pm 
Thanks for the guide. I breezed through most puzzles that qualified, so I don't think I ever would have gotten this one naturally, and the only reason I didn't absolutely pan the achievement list because of that was because this guide was sitting here, reassuring me that it wouldn't be a waste to get all the others.:p2cube:
I have to say, making the effort to solve ALL the puzzles/stars was highly rewarding, so I'm glad I had the motivation to get me through the few rough spots.
Chrury  [author] 1 May, 2022 @ 10:45am 
You're very welcome, @Take One ! Enjoy the sweet feeling of completion. :2018salienpsychic: